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For today’s Money Snapshot, we’re talking salary, net worth, debt, and more with reader F in Northern Virginia, who works as an in-house counsel. She noted, “[My husband and I] graduated with no debt thanks to parents (him) and scholarships (me). Income went up sharply six months ago (from $225K/year to current).”
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Name: F
Location: Northern Virginia
Age: 33
Occupation: Military law –> in house
Income: $345,000
Household net worth: $950,000 (not including home equity)
Net worth when started working: Worked part time since I was 13, full time at 25 with a net worth of $5,000ish
Partner/spouse: Husband, 38 years old; in tech
Household income: $460,000
Childcare and/or education: 2 children, $950/week for childcare
Living situation: Own single-family home
Debt
How much debt do you have currently?
Zero except for mortgage ($2,900/month) with $450,000 remaining
What does your debt picture look like?
We bought in 2020 and aimed to purchase a home where we could 1) put 20% down (even though w/VA loan eligibility that wasn’t necessary) and 2) we could make the monthly payment on one salary. We ended up meeting those criteria and got a 30-year loan in 2020 with a low interest rate for a $620,000 SFH. We’ve consistently paid an extra $500/month to the principal. Our main financial goal right now is to pay off the mortgage in 18 years (rather than 30), which will be when our oldest goes to college.
How much money are you spending each month to pay down debt?
Regularly pay $500 extra to mortgage each month; for the next 1.5 years trying to do $3,500 extra each month.
How did you pay for school?
I got a full scholarship for college (room and board) and a scholarship for tuition in law school (paid for housing with roommates, part-time jobs, and other scholarship money). My husband’s parents paid for his college and we are prioritizing being able to do the same for our kids.
Do you own or rent? How much do you pay monthly?
Own, $2,900/month for single-family home, principal/interest/taxes/insurance
Home debt: Share your theories and strategies with us (including any that lead you to rent rather than own).
The only debt we’ve ever had is the house — no student loan, car, or credit card debt, and [we are] extremely debt-averse.
Have you ever done anything noteworthy to avoid or lessen debt?
Paying our mortgage down right now doesn’t make a ton of sense. With an interest rate just below 3%, we could easily make more in other investments. But if the most emotional thing I do with my money is pay down debt faster, I think I’m OK with that.
Savings, Investments & Retirement
How much do you save each month or year in retirement vehicles like 401Ks, Roth IRAs, and others?
We max out my husband’s 401k, 2x IRAs, and my mega-backdoor Roth. I think that’s about $8,500/month total.
How much money do you allocate to other tax-savvy investments/accounts like HSAs, 529s, FSAs, and others?
We have about $150,000 in a 529 (for a 3 y.o. and 1 y.o.) and plan to contribute enough next year to get each to $100,000 and then $4,000/year after that. My husband has an HSA from a prior health set up, but I haven’t confirmed if it’s invested well, will plan to invest it and leave until retirement probably but low on the list.
How much do you save outside of retirement accounts?
After retirement, we have yearly goals. So this year was $34,000 to each kid’s 529 account, sinking fund for future car purchase (three years out or so), max retirements, then pour extra into the mortgage.
Talk to us about investments. Do you use a financial adviser/planner?
Target date for retirement and 529 plans, Vanguard ETFs for IRAs. We don’t have a financial planner, but I’ve taken advantage of free check-ins that my employer offers to make sure I’m on track.
Do you have an end goal for saving or are you just saving for a rainy day?
We’re debating this now. For a long time it was 1) down payment and then 2) college for kids. Both are well in hand, so trying to find a different goal to focus on.
What’s the #1 thing you’re doing to save money, limit spending, or live frugally?
On our previous income, we lived as if we would only have one in case someone was laid off. Since my salary went up, we’ve made minimal lifestyle changes (ordering pizza vs. making it at home is the biggest splurge I can think of) and are banking as much as possible.
When did you start saving seriously? How has your savings strategy changed over the years?
I started saving as soon as I started getting money. My father is an accountant and drilled it into us early. Plus when I asked my parents if they’d take me in if I was living on the street, they told me they might give me leftovers from their dinner but that was it. (I was seven.)
Have you ever made a big money move or investment with savings in mind, such as rolling over an older IRA into a Roth IRA or superfunding a 529?
Frontloading the 529. I’ll get stock from my employer in a bit and need to figure out what to do with that (probably sell and diversify in an ETF.)
Do you have an estate plan in place? A trust?
I wrote my own will when I was a military lawyer, but it’s pretty basic. Having had to manage family member deaths, I’ve prioritized 1) collecting all account and password information and 2) having accurate beneficiaries on accounts where possible.
How much do you have in cash that’s available today?
$7,000
How much do you have in cash that’s available in a week?
$180,000 (includes what is available today — blame my partner’s bloated emergency fund)
How much is in your “emergency fund,” and did you include it in the previous question?
$150,000 split between checking, savings, and HYSA. My husband leaves too much cash in his HYSA but I haven’t gotten him to reallocate yet.
How much do you have in retirement savings?
$270,000 for me and about the same for my partner
How much do you have in long-term investments and savings (CDs, index funds, stocks) that are not behind a retirement wall?
$60,000 in CDs, $5,000 in index funds,
If property values (home, car) are included in your net worth, how much are those worth?
Not included, but we have home equity of about $350,000. I don’t count the cars because we buy in cash and run them into the ground.
Spending
How much do you spend on the following categories on a monthly basis?
Groceries: $450
Restaurants, bars, takeout, and delivery: $200
Clothing and accessories: $50
Transportation: $30
Rent/living expenses: $2,900
Kid-related expenses: $4,000
Entertainment: $200
Other major expenses: Subscriptions ($60/month) and dog ($75/month probably?). Our main hobby is keeping two small kids alive, which mostly involves free playgrounds.
Health care – premiums and other costs: $500/month for a family of 4, $6,000 yearly in addition to premiums.
What’s your spending range for these things? What’s your average?
Vacations – Range: $0-$3,000
Charity – Range of donations: $250-$1,000
Charity – Average donation or giving amount: $250/month
Individual items of clothing – Range: Lots of Buy Nothing! If not, then Old Navy or thredUP.
Individual items of clothing – Average: $20
Apartment or house – Current main residence: $2,900
Car or other vehicle – Range: $10,000-$29,000
Car or other vehicle: Current main vehicle: Used Honda CRV, $10,000
Fill in the blank on this question: I could save _____ if I stopped ______, but I don’t because _______.
$50/takeout once a week, because it is a huge pick-me-up to not have to cook in the middle of the week!
If you’re married: When was your wedding, how much did it cost (total), and how much did YOU pay? (If multiple weddings, please note separately.)
2019, $20,000; we paid for the whole thing but got generous financial gifts after the wedding from my dad and extended family that covered about half.
If you own, how much did your home (permanent residence) cost?
$620,000
Have any large medical expenses (including nursing homes) for yourself or others played a role in your financial picture?
I had my kids while in the military so paid $0 for the care associated with both.
At any point in your life to date, has inheritance played a role in your money situation?
My mother died when I was 17 and I saved the Social Security I received (as a minor) and used it to pay for living expenses in law school.
How has your family provided financial support in your adult life, if any? (Or, do you provide support to them?)
No support beyond about $5,000 as a gift for my wedding.
Money Strategy
Do you have a general money strategy?
Make hay while the sun shines! And avoid lifestyle creep.
Time vs. money — do you spend money to save time (e.g., cleaning service)? Do you donate your time instead of money? What else does this phrase mean to you?
I don’t spend to save time but have been thinking a lot about it recently with two toddlers and two full-time jobs (and excess money). I currently handle the lawn, the cleaning, and the laundry; my husband does the groceries and cooking. I don’t want to start outsourcing, because I’m afraid it’s the slow burn into being locked into a job that I may want to switch out of some day (but would also like my house to be clean at some point!). I used to volunteer, but no longer have time for that so have upped my charitable contributions.
What are your favorite resources for personal finance?
I like reading these Snapshots and Reddit forums!
What advice would you give your younger self about personal finance?
My family stopped providing financial support at 18, so even with my scholarships I was extremely stressed about money from 18-25 (to the point of not turning on air conditioning in North Carolina in August, or eating only rice and beans for dinner for a month). I wish I had understood a small loan ($5,000-$10,000) would have alleviated a lot of that stress and probably not have set me back for life.
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Anon
I understand guarding against lifestyle creep, but you earn plenty to start outsourcing some things, especially in this busy season of life with two full-time jobs and two kids under 3. We earn less than half what you do, and have a cleaning service.
I also think you’re overfunding your 529s but I’m very cautious about putting too much in there because kids may end up at state schools.
Anonymous
I agree that she doesn’t want to overfund 529s but note even state schools are extremely expensive (I’m in Colorado, and in-state tuition, fees, etc for CU total over $37K per year). So at the current savings rate the 529s would be only slightly in excess of that. 529 assets can be transferred to another beneficiary. As well, now you can fund a Roth IRA with up to $35K of the assets for the beneficiary (assuming the 529 has been in place for 15 years, which it will be). But the point is a good one.
Anon
Agree. I make about half and live in a VHCOL city and still have a cleaner come about once a month to do a deep clean.
Bette
How much are you front loading the 529s?
Anonymous
OP here! We’re planning to do 100k/kid ASAP (probably hitting that when our oldest is 3 and our youngest is 1.5) and then drop down to 4k/year. We will reevaluate as they get older too.
Anon
Amazing job! I run a wealth management firm and do customized planning for folks and you are doing such a good job with your financial situation. Your snapshot makes me so happy. Financial discipline in the present is critical to success. As you’re doing, you want to have as much as possible to save and invest (income minus expenses = funds available for savings & investment). Then you want to maximize tax-advantaged accounts and then “waterfall” whatever’s left into long-term taxable investments. It seems like you are doing this really well, which is not always the case, and your “future self” will reap the benefits of your approach. During your annual check-ins I’d suggest making sure your investment allocations are set correctly for your long-term financial goals (paying for kids’ college, eventual retirement, other goals) and risk tolerance, so you can be sure you’re optimized and have tangible goals to work towards. Wonderful!
Emma
As a fellow 33 year old legal counsel, I’m suddenly feeling underpaid and very behind on my net value! But these are always interesting, thanks for sharing.
Anon
I’m 43 making $205k plus a bonus (last year ~$60k), and same! I was happy with my comp until I read this lol
I do live in an LCOL however, so that helps a lot!
Anonymous
“I wish I had understood a small loan ($5,000-$10,000) would have alleviated a lot of that stress and probably not have set me back for life.”
The equivalent of this for where you are now is getting a cleaning service and taking some vacations with your kids. You’ve set up well for the future but don’t forget to enjoy the now. Before you blink they will be teenagers.
Anon
This! My kids are in early elementary and sometimes I get so stressed out thinking about the fact that I only have a handful of summers with them before their teenagers. Don’t forget to enjoy the now, even if it means loosening the purse strings a bit.
Anon
Yes! And I’m wondering how the hell she buys a work wardrobe on $50 a month.
Anon
Or groceries for $450 a month. I cook 12 of 14 weekly meals at home (lunch & dinner) and we eat lots of grains, beans, and potatoes and there is no way I could pull this off without extremely anxious budgeting.
Dawn
This was also exactly where my mind went.
Anon
It sounds like you have a lot of financial anxiety; I do too so I get this! But, you make more than enough to spend money on things like a housekeeper or landscaper, and to take some vacations that cost a little more! Those things are not necessarily lifestyle creep because you can easily and quickly cancel them/scale them back if you needed to save money, and it sounds like you are really good at living frugally so it wouldn’t be a super hardship if you had to do without.
Mriga
Am I the only one amazed by a monthly budget of $450 for groceries?
Anon
That really surprised me too. My household spends $200/week easily for a smaller family (2 adults and 1 kid) in a very LCOL area and we eat way more takeout/restaurant food than OP does. Granted, we don’t really make any attempt to find coupons or shop sales, but we also don’t buy much meat and the only organic product we buy is milk.
Anon
I was shocked by that too! They must be vegetarian or dedicated Costco shoppers! And even Costco is more expensive sometimes!
Anon
Ha! I am a single vegan and i spend $160/wk at the grocery store!
anon
Me too. Plus $30 for transportation with two cars? But even if those are low, the amounts of savings/frugality are impressive.
I do think this is an excellent example of the time value of money – kudos to op for that. it’s still a relatively short time frame to accumulate that net worth especially as your hhi was only $225k (gross, right?) until 6 months ago.
Anonymous
OP here! We both WFH so my transportation estimate was gas once a week for groceries/local daycare run. I didn’t include car insurance and perhaps should have averaged that into it – about $100/month.
And yes, that was our gross HHI until recently.
Anon
Yeah, I’m not sure I buy that and the $50/month clothing budget to maintain a professional wardrobe. Though maybe she WFH!
When I read that, I assumed it was more of a, “Hmmm… I think we spend about $100 per week?” Instead of it being a real number because only getting $50 in takeout per week and spending just over $100 for two grown ups and two toddlers is not super realistic unless you’re spending a lot of time hunting down sales.
Anonymous
Hi, I’m the poster! And you’re right- I estimated our grocery budget based on when I was doing it (which was buying at the military commissary and before two kids). Checked with my husband and he said we are now around 175-200/week.
$50 is probably high for clothing though. I’m mostly WFH + casual (jeans and t shirt) workplace. I normally buy new clothes 1x/year or so and spend about $100-150 to refresh. My MIL likes to shop so I’ll also get 4-5 new items of clothing from her for gifts each year.
Dawn
Agree. I can’t imagine that is real. Probably an inaccurate guesstimate. Average SNAP benefit for a family of four is $675 or something like that.
PJ
Also shockingly low for 2 adults unless you’re eating out a lot. Their entire food budget is $650/month…maybe they get a lot of free food at work?
She referred to her partners emergency fund, so maybe it’s just”her half”?
Anon
When are we going to have a money diary from my fellow $65k a year girlies?
Signed,
Not a lawyer
Anon
Waves hi from higher ed. I’m 38 and make $55k.
Anecdata
would love to see one from either of you!
Anna
+1
Also here for it! :)
Anon
You are the one percent – you can afford to take a vacation or order dinner out.
Anon
“Make hay while the sun shines!” Love this.
But one should also enjoy eating some of the hay while they can still enjoy it. :)
Anonymous
Just coming here to point out that instead of putting $100k in your kids’ 529s, not getting any tax benefits from doing it, and locking the money into only limited uses, you could also put $100k into regular investments and then choose to pay your kids’ colleges from those investments (or go on vacation, or buy a house, or buy them a car, etc).
i’m surprised gift limits don’t apply to 529s? i thought that was the whole reason why superfunding them is a thing (which then means you can’t fund then for the following 5 years, i thought)
https://www.savingforcollege.com/article/10-rules-for-superfunding-a-529-plan
Anonymous
Hi! We do get a tax benefit both from a deduction (4k/year per account) for contributions and the growth is tax free. For the deductions, Virginia lets you do it by account, so we can do different combinations of owner/fund/beneficiary to maximize the number of deductions we have and also let’s you carry forward amounts to deduct in future years.
We’re also comfortable with the range of options we can use it for (including rolling over 35k to IRAs).
For gift rules, we’re contributing under the gift limit each year. So for example, it was 32k last year (16k from each parent per kid last year), 34k this year (17k from each) and then the remainder next year (which we expect to be under 34k). Perhaps better phrased for us as front loading v. Traditional superfunding. Also worth noting (I think pp knows this but in case anyone is lurking) those limits are only for when you have to file a form with the IRS; I think the exclusion before a gift tax actually applies is 12million or so.